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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:30:00 -
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Hyperion losing a mid? But doesn't it require 15 heavy cap boosters to keep 1 rep going? BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:31:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:CCP Rise wrote: I do understand some statistics... I understood the comment as meaning that I had guessed wrongly about where all the damage is coming from.
For further sake of argument - Hyp is number 3 for pvp damage over the last 150 days. I know how many beers you drink, trust me!
Ed: BTW, I don't just "understand SOME statistics". I have a *deep* understanding of game analytics - and I am offering you professional game analytics advice. Feel free to evemail me (or email me) if you want to make the discussion more private. But seriously. Top line metrics are bad for your health.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.08 22:51:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Quote:Now go plug in every tank you can think of into the Megathron and bear in mind a respectable BS' EHP is around 120k. Hardly anyone uses the Tempest seriously for a reason!
Making an "agile and fast" battleship is all fine and dandy, except the Talos exists and will always fill that role several orders of magnitude more effectively in the Gallente lineup.
The problem here is that a Battleship will never be fast or agile enough for these changes to matter much. All it means is you're putting the Megathron into the slot of "kinda sorta fast for a BS but will pop before it ever reaches blaster range".
The "tier 3" / assault battlecruisers are filling the role you're trying to shoehorn these ships into. Don't. You're just making them into inferior choices when they already had their own niche. I want to respond to a few of these points since they seem to be coming up a lot, though I'm not sure why. First the tank - I showed you the armor tank that people are most likely to use, 2 plate, 2eanm, 1 dcu - this is the standard mega armor tank and its still completely viable. Now, you have the same tank, similar damage, but your ship goes faster and you have an extra mid. Seems like a fair trade. And as far as the Talos. I would never expect this ship to compete with the Talos as a roaming kiter. That is not whats intended by "fast and agile". If you want to see some value from fast and agile, think about a situation where you have a new shiny armageddon tackled by your friend in a stiletto. The geddon is perma jammed by your friend in a blackbird. But! You have just jumped through the gate and are 35k away from the armageddon! Now, as you close in, the armageddon has 2 friends show up! An oneiros and a falcon. Now you have to make a run for the gate as fast as possible. This is just one example of where a BS's speed matters. If you are in a hyperion, you will struggle to get over there and apply damage in anywhere near the time-frame that this attack mega can. There's many other examples, but I just want to make the point that just because a ship can't kite as well as a Talos, that doesn't mean speed is not important. As a final point for comparing BS vs Tier3 BC. Always consider the way they would perform vs each other. How does this new mega do in a 1v1 vs a Talos?
Quoting you simply because i think you're more likely to read something that has your name in it ^^
Pretty much the only change i'm really concerned with here is the Hyp... Have you tested how well the cap holds up running an active tank on it with only one cap booster? BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.08 22:56:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Gonna get some sleep guys - we'll talk in the morning =)
Weakling. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
719
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Posted - 2013.04.09 11:26:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Considering the comments, low slots are exactly as valuable as mid slots : Megathron cannot lose its low slot, it's invaluable ; Hyperion cannot lose its mid slot, it's invaluable.
I tend to analyze this as fear of change : mega pilots don't want their mega changed, and hyperion pilots don't want their hyperion changed. The only thing which would please them is a straight addition of something to make their beloved ship OP (read "have more than the others").
Generally Mid slots >>>> Other slots.
There are exceptions though. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
719
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Posted - 2013.04.09 12:05:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Quote:Seems you have been answersign only this thread. Are you guys covering the other threads equaly? I've been watching the other threads as well, there just doesn't seem to be as much to comment on in the others. I'll go do a lap through them now to make sure I haven't missed anything big.
What about our promised Res bonus thread? >=[
Also people are a lot happier about the other bs's so its normal for him to comment more here. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
719
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Posted - 2013.04.09 12:07:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:The Bazzalisk wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Think about how a ship with 50% bonus to rate of fire would shoot twice as often, doing double damage. That would be the same as a 100% turret damage bonus). The result is that more of your damage can capitalize on the tracking bonus, at a small penalty to cap need. I hate to break it to you but a 50% rate of fire bonus does not mean you are shooting twice as fast, you will be shooting 1.5x as fast. So you saying that a rate of fire bonus is superior to a damage bonus is incorrect because rate of fire bonus will suck more cap. If your rate of fire is 10 and you reduce that by 50% what does that become?? A rate of fire of 5
Math, it works.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.09 13:20:00 -
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Optimal/tracking bonus on the drones won't only make sentries better
It will make all drones apply dps way better since about 80% of the problem with them is that they are dumb ***** who missmanage their prop mods and are constantly out of their optimal because of it. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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